August 4, 2025, 12:03 am
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The war in Ukraine has dramatically accelerated the development of some military technology – and challenged some older ones.
Back in 2022 I looked at one system that had had a pretty hard year – the helicopters, and concluded that while they still had a role (particularly the transport helos), technology and trends were clearly challenging the attack helicopters in new ways.
Today, I look at how the situation has arguably gotten even harder in 2025, and how some nations are choosing to revise their plans for these very dangerous (and very expensive) systems.
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Reading and Sourcing (partial):
Original video "End of the helicopter? (no) (2022)
Chieftain video "No, the attack helo is not dead" (2024)
Germany Tiger early retirement:
https://www.janes.com/osint-insights/defence-news/defence/germany-confirms-earlier-2032-retirement-date-for-tiger-attack-helicopters
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2023/12/14/germany-spends-23-billion-on-airbus-light-attack-helicopters/
Reporting on U.S. AH-64 fleet changes
https://www.flightglobal.com/helicopters/us-army-seeks-to-pure-fleet-helicopter-inventory-by-retiring-older-models/162979.article
U.S. Army plans reduction of AH-64D Apache helicopter fleet amid broader forces reform
U.S. Military reimbursement rates (FY2025)
https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/rates/fy2025/2025_b_c.pdf
RAND – China looks to Ukraine War for Guidance on Attack Helicopters
https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2024/02/china-looks-to-ukraine-war-for-guidance-on-attack-helicopters.html
RUSI – US Army Cuts Signal Emphasis on Readiness
https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/us-army-cuts-signal-emphasis-readiness
Mi-17 downing in Myanmar by FPV
https://www.twz.com/air/mi-17-appears-to-have-been-downed-by-fpv-drone-in-myanmar
Mi-24 drone hunting kill markings
Czech-supplied Mil Mi-24V Hind helicopter gunship, from the Ukrainian Army Aviation – with 19 air-to-air drone kill markings on its cockpit.
byu/Reprexain inHelicopters
Improvised Syrian artillery
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2015/08/21/hell-cannons-from-minor-nuisance-to-major-threat-the-evolution-of-syrian-opposition-siege-artillery/
M88A3 cancellation
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2025/07/29/old-tank-recovery-vehicles-get-new-life-as-m88a3-is-nixed/
Poland Apache buy
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/08/13/poland-buys-96-apache-helicopters-to-boost-attack-capabilities/
Reporting on attack helo cancellations/divestments
https://www.twz.com/air/south-korea-canceling-ah-64-apache-buy-a-sign-of-whats-to-come
https://www.defensenews.com/smr/defending-the-pacific/2023/02/09/japan-to-replace-attack-observation-helos-with-drone-fleet/
https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/us-army-targets-obsolete-aircraft-for-cuts-including-ah-64d-and-mq-1c/162841.article
Netherlands JAGM sale
https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/jagm-179m-netherlands-approval-us/
Enhanced version of Ka-52 appears
https://www.twz.com/enhanced-version-of-russias-ka-52-attack-helicopter-appears
Boeing’s plan for AH-64 serving into the 2060s
https://www.twz.com/air/boeings-plan-for-modernized-ah-64-apaches-serving-into-the-2060s
Reporting on E-7
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/06/air-force-cancels-e-7-wedgetail-citing-survivability-and-cost-concerns/
Reporting on initial ATACMS strikes (2022)
https://www.twz.com/destruction-from-ukraines-first-atacms-strike-now-apparent
KA-52 friendly fire (2024)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2024/08/15/video-shows-russian-ka-52-helicopter-shooting-up-friendly-column-in-kursk/
Caveats & Comments:
All normal caveats and comments apply. In particular – I note that this material has been created for entertainment purposes and is not intended to be a complete examination of the topic and should not be relied upon to inform financial or other any other views and/or decisions.
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 — Opening Words
00:01:17 — What Am I Talking About?
00:03:39 — What Does It Mean to Be Obsolete?
00:17:26 — Experience in Ukraine
00:26:55 — Threats
00:39:57 — Future threats
00:52:22 — Alternatives & Adaptations
00:56:22 — Improvements
01:00:17 — the Fundamentals
01:01:13 — Channel Update
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