October 27, 2025, 3:05 pm
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How do you make sure you learn the right lessons from a war your troops aren’t actively fighting in?
The war in Ukraine is pressure cooker of technical and tactical innovation, and as militaries around the world are well aware, those innovations are unlikely to remain contained to the Ukrainian battlefield.
And so today, in my second episode on NATO’s SHINE event in Istanbul, I have a look at how NATO and Ukraine are trying to learn from each other and look at some of the technologies that they showed off for answering major battlefield threats like Russian glide-bombs and fiber-optic drones.
It may be likely that not all lessons from Ukraine will apply to future wars, but countries have a clear imperative to learn those that might. And so today, let’s talk JATEC, innovation challenges and…air-mines?
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Reading and Sourcing:
NATO RFIP – Medical Care in a Transparent and Contested Battlespace
https://www.act.nato.int/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/rfip025104.pdf
https://www.cvent.com/c/abstracts/5a830cde-ceee-4fb9-a676-f418845ca674
NATO ACT on the Innovation challenges – note one that benefited Ukraine (land mines in 2024) predated JATEC
https://www.act.nato.int/article/innovation-challenge-front-lines/
NATO RFIP – Medical Care in a Transparent and Contested Battlespace
https://www.act.nato.int/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/rfip025104.pdf
https://www.cvent.com/c/abstracts/5a830cde-ceee-4fb9-a676-f418845ca674
Previous NATO innovation challenges
https://innovationhub-act.org/innovation-challenges/
Reporting on European "Drone wall" ambitions
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2025/09/19/eu-ministers-to-ponder-what-a-drone-wall-for-europe-could-look-like/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-17/europe-drone-wall-defence-system-russia-threat-incursions/105893030
Interceptor drone production in the UK
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2025/10/21/mass-production-of-ukrainian-drones-in-the-uk-to-launch-
within-weeks/
NATO ACT – Harnessing Innovation to Counter Glide Bombs
https://www.act.nato.int/article/harnessing-innovation-counter-glide-bombs/
ACT on Alta Ares winning entry for the Glide Bomb challenge
https://www.facebook.com/NATO.ACT/posts/-ai-vs-glide-bombs-the-winner-of-the-nato-innovation-challenge-team-alta-ares-fr/1078480197654342/
TYTAN
https://www.tytan-technologies.com/
TYTAN interceptors being used in Ukraine
https://www.janes.com/osint-insights/defence-news/air/tytan-interceptor-uav-being-used-in-combat-by-ukraine-says-manufacturer
ATREYD – Drone Wall
Why ATREYD Solutions Are the Missing Piece in Counter-Drone Warfare
Colonel Vytis Andreika – Russia’s Changes in the Conduct of War Based on Lessons from Ukraine
https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/Military-Review/English-Edition-Archives/September-October-2025/Lessons-from-Ukraine/
Examples of other interceptor projects with degrees of autonomy
TRL Drones created fully autonomous interceptor drones to counter Shahed drones
Reported Ukrainian interceptor developments
Ukraine Creates New Interceptor Drone to Counter Shahed Drones
Caveats & Comments:
All normal caveats and comments apply. In particular – I note that this material has been created for entertainment purposes and is not intended to be a complete examination of the topic and should not be relied upon to inform financial or other any other views and/or decisions.
Any content relating to the conduct, views, activities or any aspect of any person or character in this video is included for entertainment purposes and does not represent an assertion of fact on those matters or any matters in relation to that person or character.
Care has been taken in compiling data, quotes, and other inputs from various sources but errors can occur. Quotes and included data should be considered illustrative, not definitive and their veracity should not be relied on.
As noted in the video, I received some benefits from the host organisation (coffee and food) but did not receive compensation for travel costs, accommodation, or time spent at the event. All opinions expressed are solely my own.
Timestamps:
00:00 — Opening Words
00:52 — What Am I Talking About
03:08 — Caveats
04:07 — JATEC & Lessons Learned
13:52 — the Innovation Challenges
16:00 — Evaluating the Model
18:17 — Fiber Optic Drones
28:12 — Glide Bombs & Shaheds
40:40 — Future Challenges
43:09 — the Model & the Beneficiary
52:25 — Channel Update
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